First of all, the headline of this article is a little harsh, but it reflects a change in Google’s attitude. Back in the day when Google was little more than a bunch of students working in a garage, their informal motto was “don’t be evil”, this led them to resist opportunities that they considered anti consumer.
This has slowly changed and the example of what happened yesterday, when I went to purchase the new G1 phone powered by Google’s new mobile Operating System (OS) Android, is only the latest example of that change.
T-mobile announced that you could buy the G1 out right without signing a two year contract for $399 plus tax rather than at the subsidised price of $179. Well it seems that this is not the case in reality. There seems to have been instructions from the head office to initially only sell it to people signing up to a two year contract.
While I understand that it makes economical sense to tie consumers in to two year contracts, my company, TigerSpike, specialises in creating mobile web site and applications, and it is our company policy that we need to try them out on the handset in order to make sure that they render properly on all handset types. Luke Janssen, CEO of TigerSpike explains why: “When we developed our first application, 5 years ago, we tried to use a handset emulator and it was a disaster. So our experience has taught us that there is no substitute for physical handsets.”
The company currently has over 150 different handsets that our tech team uses to test our sites and apps, and you can imagine that we didn’t get 150 different contracts!
Luckily, after a fair amount of persuasion (and mainly because of the fact that, 2 hours after opening, the T-mobile store where we went had not sold more than 10 of their 70 G1 phones!), we managed to get our hands on one. But even then the guy from the T-mobile store removed the sim card from the pack telling us that as we did not sign up to the contract we did not get a sim with it.
And guess what, we could not use the Android software without a T-mobile sim inside the phone! So after returning to the store they gave us the sim! This whole episode is clearly pointless and only going to irritate consumers.
But that was not the end of our troubles. Once we had a T-mobile chip inside the phone, and in order to use the phone, we had to use a Google mail account. So this seems to be Google’s strategy to impose a Google world on us. But worst of all is that we could not use Wi-Fi to activated the account so we had to borrow a T-mobile sim that was activated from someone in the next door office in order to use her data plan to activate the Google mail account!
Eventually we were able to use our phone. But the fact that Google forces you to use a Gmail account and a T-mobile data plan to set up your phone shows that Google have gone a long way since its “don’t be evil” days setting out to protect the consumer.
Anyway now on to Android, my first impression was that, unlike the iPhone, there is no wow factor. When I first used my iPhone I was immediately hooked. The phone was beautiful, the user experience great and it just felt like it was so far ahead of the market. This was not my first impression of Android.
Having said this there are plenty of really cool features on Android. For example, street view is really cool (but completely pointless) and Shazam (music recognition app) even recognised my weird music tastes. Plus Android allows you to copy and paste text or forward e-mails, a major flaw with the iPhone.
Another cool idea is the bar scanning applications (they allow you to scan the barcode on your mobile phone and search for the best price while in a store). Although we had trouble in finding products that it could recognise (this will be sorted out in the long run) and you have to stay really still for the camera to work, it is a cool idea and it is apps like this that will drive Android in the long run.
The software is easy to use but not very consistent. For example to delete a contact in your address book you have to press and hold the entry and then a delete button appears. While in the alarm clock section, you have to press the alarm once and that takes you to another screen where you get a button to delete the alarm.
As more and more apps come out, Android will become better and better, let’s not forget that this is the first version of Android, which is still a work in progress. Whether we like it or not, Android is here to stay and will be bigger in terms of reach than the iPhone (simply because it will be on several devices).
My colleague, Johnny Makkar, has written more about the problems that you face when you buy an inactivated G1, read more HERE
Also MobiAD published a White Paper explaining what Android was, you can download it HERE
Finally have a look at this video of Sergey Brin and Steve Horowitz explaining about Android HERE
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octobre 23rd, 2008 at 16:53
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David
octobre 24th, 2008 at 0:44
While I enjoyed your post, I’m still not clear on what about that process made Google evil. Every GSM phone needs a SIM card to work (yes, the T-Mobile rep should have given you one). But I don’t think requiring a Gmail account to activate the phone throws Google into the “evil” category. Thoughts?
david-hp
octobre 24th, 2008 at 0:59
Well there are two sides, on one side there is what t-mobile did, and although annoying, they have never claimed to be anything else than a major corporation. But when it comes to Google who like to be known as the “good guys” I think that this is hypocritical. I have been wondering for a while what Google intentions in mobile were, and for me by forcing you to sign up to a Gmail account to use the G1 they are trying to impose their Google products on us.
Again I understand that this is something that a lot of corporations do, but when Google touts themselves as being open and then impose one of their products on consumers who just want to use another product well I think that it is hypocritical so I am just pointing it out.
I still think that in the long run Android will have a bigger influence on mobile than the iPhone. Any thoughts on that prediction?
Scooter_Trash
octobre 24th, 2008 at 1:45
Isn’t this a Google based phone? Seems to me the people in the market for this phone are Google users. The bulk of the phone is geared towards Google users. If someone doesn’t use Gmail or Google Calendar, why would someone want this phone? I guess I don’t see it as Google forcing someone to use their email since that customer most likely already does.
david-hp
octobre 24th, 2008 at 2:05
Of course it’s a Google phone, and yes nearly everyone uses Gmail. But why do Google need to force user to sign up if they have not already? Surely if you do not want to use Gmail you should still be able to use Android?
Andrew
octobre 24th, 2008 at 5:46
Google have always said all along you will need a gmail account to use this phone. The reason is that your contacts (and hopefully email if you use gmail) are all stored on googles servers. This way if you upgrade to a new google phone, you don’t have to enter in all those details again. Same goes for replacements.
Now this can be done in round about ways with other devices. But the average joe blogs doesn’t know how to do this.
I’m sure is MS/Yahoo opened up and created standard API’s google could do contact syncs etc with them. But I’m sure they haven’t.
On a side note, Windows Mobile syncs your contacts and mail if you signup to windows live from your wm6+ device.
The only diff is its not enfoced like google is doing.
david-hp
octobre 24th, 2008 at 15:10
Good point, let me get one thing clear there is nothing wrong with making the Gmail set up part of the phone, it is just when they start imposing it on you that I think that it is hypocritical… especially from Google with the way it positions itself.
Remy
octobre 25th, 2008 at 2:48
Hi David,
Thanks for your article and for taking the time to write it. I might have to disagree with google kinda going evil. This are my points:
1. It is a Gphone AKA Android; therefore, one should not be surprised of it forcing you to use a Google account. Is free, but I do expect google taking advantage (forcing you to get an account, so that later you can see its ads once you access it on your computer).
2. One of their selling points is data syncing, without a google account, the customers wont have the promised feature. And with it phone calls calling for support.
3. Windows Mobile comes with MSN/Hotmail/Live related stuff that only if you have an account you can benefit. They dont force you, but they do not supply any other free* provider products as part of the phone. Android does offer clients to chat in other networks.
4. They didn’t hide this, if one does not like it, then dont buy it. Iphones are pretty much cheap nowadays.
5. Any individual who does not have a google account, then they dont deserve this Smartphone. Go and buy Dumbphone that just can make phone calls. Google’s email wins hands down to those of Yahoo, Microsoft and whatever @email.com there is outhere.
Please let me know what do you think.
David Holding - Parsons
octobre 25th, 2008 at 3:32
Hi Remy
Thanks for taking the time to comment. I will answer point by point.
1.I agree with you that as it is a Google phone it is not surprising that it comes with Google products, but I disagree with you that one should be forced to use Google products on the phone. I think that it is normal that Google steers you towards its products, but I don’t think they should force you to use it. Especially if they advertise themselves as open and “the good guys”
2.You are assuming that everyone who buys an Android phone wants to use all of the Google features, while the situation in which this phone was bought (by my company for our tech team to use (as we develop android apps and mobile sites)) is not a common one, I am sure that there are some people who like the phone but who do not use Google products. Should they really be forced to sign up for Google products?
3.Of course Windows mobile comes with MSN products but you are not forced to sign up to a hotmail account to use your Windows mobile phone. You can still phone/text/browse the web without signing up for a hotmail account. True about the chat client and I think that it shows that Google is not completely “closed”. Let’s get one thing clear about windows mobile, and that is that it is very bad to remain polite! For me it is one of the major reasons why the iPhone was so successful in that it was the first decent OS on a mobile device.
4.Lol, I already have an iPhone!!!Obviously I knew that it came with Google products, but I had not understood that I would not be able to access the Android software without having a Google account. I must have missed that one…
5.While I have a Google account, I disagree with you that I should not be able to have an Android phone if I had not had a Google account. The point is not which is the best e-mail but that no e-mail should be forced on consumers. Especially by a company that touts itself as protecting of the consumer…
What do you think?
Remy
octobre 25th, 2008 at 4:43
Hey David,
1. I am pretty sure you understood this point. I do not completely agree, I am just not surprised/bothered by Google doing this.
I do not disagree with Google’s wrongdoing of forcing consumers signing up for a Google account to use/setup their phone just that was just unpacked . This wasn’t the best move from Google.
I do agree that to make use of the phone 100% you might need/have to have a Google account.
I would suggest them to have the users “Accept” a term that without a google account some phone functions/features (Gmail/Gtalk/Gtalk/iGoogle/GMaps Settings*/Gwhatever) will not work as advertised. And let them in and browse Android.
2.They have a good SDK and emulator for developers. I am not a developer, but I have played with it a little bit. Because of bad past experience with other SDK is why you guys buy the phone instead of using what other developers use. This is not Google’s fault. I’m pretty sure they were not expecting this type of consumer. But again, if you are not a Google fan, why would you bother buying the Gphone? Some the best phone features has something to do with Google’s offering. If you are not going to use them, you are better off buying a Blackberry or iPhone or a better yet, a dumbphone (lol, @dumbphone)other wise you are wasting an smartphone and money right there. I am pretty sure you agree with me here.
3.Passed, we agreed on that one.
4.I read this in one of the Engadget’s post, and saw it in one of the google’s presentation, in NYC I believe or was just a demo video. I Cant remember.
5.Like I said, I do not agree with G forcing you to have an account to setup/use the phone the first time. But the Android OS seems to be targeted for the Google crow, which basically most of the people who browse the web nowadays.
My point is, I dont think they are going evil because of this, I just think it was a bad move of them to begin with. I am pretty sure they would do something about it. This OS will run even in your toaster, and you wont need to have gmail there.
Everything can’t be perfect, they designed a solid OS and gave it away for free*. If that is what it takes for a mobile OS to be free for everyone, then be it. I foresee Android taking over 50% of Smartphone market in the future, add Exchange/Push email support (Like that in the BB), good media player (that competes with that of the iphone), multi-touch screen (hacking the OS) + thousands of free other apps and you have killer. What do you think?
David Holding - Parsons
octobre 25th, 2008 at 6:00
Hey Remy
I think we agree on most of this.
1.I would not have been too surprised had this been done by Microsoft or Apple, I am just a little surprise with Google doing it. I think it is a little hypocritical to tout yourself as a pro consumer (which Google certainly did in its early days) and then impose your products on consumers. This is similar to what Microsoft has done (for example with IE) except that they did not stop anyone from downloading an alternate browser. Here Google stop you from using the phone.
If a consumer what to use the phone (say for the apps) but not the e-mail/calendar and he is willing to pay the unsubsidised price then surely it is his choice and his problem?
I agree that it is not a big deal (you can always sign up to a Google account and not use it), my point was mainly that it shows a change from the student view to the head of a multinational view…
2.I have not tried the SDK, but I gather from our tech team that the SDK is fairly easy to use. We do our developing using the SDK but our experience has shown us that if you want to be certain of your product rendering properly on all devices it has to be tested on all devices. Emulators work well in say 80-90% of cases but if you want to be 100% certain you need to try it on the individual device. Don’t get me wrong I really like Google and I use them all the time, I was just pointing out what I think is hypocritical.
I agree that some of the best features are the syncing but that is not the only good thing about the Android OS, I think that in the long run it will be the apps developed by independent developers that will make it. Not everyone wants to have their e-mail on their phone. (Sorry but this is one of my pet hates in today’s world: how often do you receive an e-mail on your phone which was so urgent that you could not have lived had you waited an hour to get in front of your PC?)
3.Sorry I had to put a 3… STUPID Microsoft word!!!
4.Ok well then it is my fault for missing that one, must have come out when I was on holidays or being lazy!!!
5.Lol, so we pretty much agree there… I did say in the first line that the title is a little harsh. Maybe they have not become evil but they are certainly more evil than when they first started out, that what I meant, it’s just a catchy title.
I agree with the fact that Android will be bigger than the iPhone OS (as I said at the end of the article) simply because it will be on more devices and that the apps will make it.
Although 50% may be a little optimistic as it has yet to be on a really nice phone (hardware wise as to be honest the G1 is pretty ugly but that will come).
The only thing to be careful of is the add situation. I don’t mind ads but some people don’t like them, so it will be interesting to see how and where Google chooses to insert ads… What do you think about the ad situation? What do you do?
Remy
octobre 25th, 2008 at 8:07
David,
I understand what you are saying. I know you expect other things when you dont pay what other people are paying for this phone. From their point of view, if you advertise push email for gmail, you will surely would not like 1000s of calls to your “support” line because some users are trying to use their own @whateveremail.com or they can’t have their contacts synced on their new phone. I am not giving them the reason to have you sign for an email account, but you might want to look at it from another point of view. I dont think Apple nor microsoft support other email client than theirs if an user gets to call them because he/she is having issue setting up his/her email?
“This is similar to what Microsoft has done (for example with IE) except that they did not stop anyone from downloading an alternate browser. Here Google stop you from using the phone.”
You got to go around it. They didn’t completely stopped you. They wanted you to sign in for an account. An account which you could have dismissed later on. Like I said, they must warn the customer about not having a gmail account, what are the consequences, we agreed on this.
Perhaps you could’ve signed the contract, call Tmo 2-3 days later saying your 3g does not work and you want to be out. You would have an unlocked phone for 200 hundred and not contract. It just fair, they wanna lock you down, you wont let them!
“If a consumer what to use the phone (say for the apps) but not the e-mail/calendar and he is willing to pay the unsubsidised price then surely it is his choice and his problem?”
I dont think they are expecting this type of costumers who are willing to buy a new phone just to use the same apps you are using. There are better hardware and platforms out there right now* to do this. Those who buy the phone because an app, there are only few apps developed for this phone. This phone just came out. Maybe later on they change this crazy idea, who knows. I mean, I am looking at it from G-Tmo to a regular customer point of view, excluding you, your case is way different. I am not telling you what you did is wrong, or that you should not complain. Just that is a weird case.
Agree with you, the G1(not Android) sucks and it is ugly. I was crazy about it at the beginning, but after reading reviews, the USB port thingy, HTC can keep their phone. I would wait for the next one.
I really hope they dont advertise in the phone itself, I think they will keep things the way they are, if they do, i guess the phone will get free service, i wouldnt mind having one like that. Hehe Otherwise, who would pay to get ads on their phone?
“how often do you receive an e-mail on your phone which was so urgent that you could not have lived had you waited an hour to get in front of your PC?”
Well, personal email, I hardly have to reply right away. I have had important things that needed fast attention, but hardly have those. Now, if you travel a lot, and do not want to start your laptop to send an email, just to find there is not wi-fi around, I would reply from the device. It would save me so much time. There are users, who instead of paying 5-10 bucks for unlimited msg, they use email instead. My brother is one of those, they would like to get that email faster than it would take a text msg. I do read gmail emails frequently on my BB.
Work email, is a whole different story, I need to reply to those as fast as I can, but for that I have a blackberry. That is the main reason why I havent get an iPhone, If it just had a hard keyboard, I would get it in a blink of an eye. I dont wanna carry 2 smartphone hanging on my belt like I am a cop lol.
To close my case, I am not giving them the reason for them to do this, but at the same time I dont blame them. They invested too much time developing this OS, is only fair they get something back. Besides things are hard out there for them. Too much competence from Apple and MS. I guess this is their strategy to have more people become Google preachers. At least those things works as supposed to ;).
Hey, BTW, i enjoyed this discussion a lot. Hope you feel the same way. I will catch up tomorrow, time to go to sleep.
Johnny
octobre 26th, 2008 at 2:21
Hi Remy and David HP - Those might be the longest comments I have ever seen left on a blog post
I think Remy should get a guest post on Marketing Story. Might enforce a 1,000 word limit for comments on my blog now, lol.
David Holding - Parsons
octobre 27th, 2008 at 17:23
Hey Remy, sorry for the slow response, it has been a busy week end…
Well to be honest it is not my problem how many people call Google. There is nothing wrong with offering the service, but there is something wrong with imposing it on people… Unless I am mistaken Apple accepts Google mail and Microsoft exchange…
No they didn’t stop me but they did as much as they could, while still advertising being open and that the phone was available to be bought out for $399.
I agree that had I bought the phone at $179 that was one thing, but having paid the price that they advertised to buy the phone out right, I should be able to access the phone without needing to sign up to anything. Nowadays phones are more than devices that one uses to make a call.
If they advertise that you can get the phone at £399 without a contract then you should not require to use any t-mobile sim to access the software on the phone. Otherwise this is false advertising.
Well I disagree with you if they are advertising an option to buy the phone outright then they obviously have a demand for it… And it is up to the individual consumer to judge the value of each individual platform.
I think that somewhere in the long run ads will appear in the phone. That is just the way Google operates and makes its cash.
Ok well I will just not agree with you on the e-mail one as it gets me really worked up…and it’s a Monday morning!
I think the keyboard on the iPhone is very good. Initially I thought I would not be able to deal with it but I got use to it fairly quickly.
I don’t blame them I just object to them saying one thing and doing the other…
Me too I enjoyed the discussion… Again sorry for the slow reply. What do you do?
PS: Check this out, seems like I am not the only one to have noticed:
http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/10/24/do-no-evil-google-uses-shady-ad-tactics-to-edge-out-competitor/
Philippe Angely
octobre 28th, 2008 at 9:01
Very interesting comments.
Remy is welcome to write the article “Why Google did not Become Evil… Initial thoughts on Android” on Marketing story
By the way, how do you see the future of Windows Mobile and Blackberry between the next Android phones and Iphone?
Brian
octobre 30th, 2008 at 1:13
I still don’t understand how Google is evil. Your post does nothing to prove your point.
David Holding - Parsons
octobre 30th, 2008 at 4:15
Well Brian, Google’s early moto was “don’t be evil” and by that they aimed to protect the consumer. Clearly the incident that I have described above is clearly not protecting the consumer.
Raymond
décembre 2nd, 2008 at 23:14
I guess Google is not becoming evil, they’re just starting to look more and more like other companies like Microsoft, Apple, etc where profits come first and then customer promises and loyalty comes second.
Google forcing people to sign up for their services against people’s will is definitely hypocritical - Google likes to cry about Microsoft’s stranglehold on PC’s but when there’s a new market forming Google has no problem monopolizing as much as they can. And this is a normal behavior of any business, so I think for us to expect a company to say “do no evil” and deviate from it is certainly an unrealistic expectation. but such deviation is certainly hypocritical. Had google never come up with the stupid “do no evil” motto they’d not be hypocritical. We have to remember google banked on the “do no evil” for a very long time - they had open source developers lining up with them, the general public adopted their products much faster.
Google will turn evil when they start running to the government for protection - when they ask the government for bailouts, industry restrictions, when they start lobbying. This is when Google will turn evil, and I think they’re already there (they have lobbyists in Washinigton).
David Holding - Parsons
décembre 3rd, 2008 at 21:49
Hey Raymond I totally agree with you. And by no means am I saying that if I was in the same position I wouldn’t do the same.
Anyway the responses to this article show the power of a catchy title!!!
Thanks for reading
Android Apps
février 5th, 2009 at 15:20
Totally agree with David. Neither Microsoft with their Windows Mobile, nor even Apple or RIM or Nokia or any other major mobile player forces a user to create an account with them before they even get to see the welcome screen.
David Holding - Parsons
février 16th, 2009 at 12:28
Hey cheers for the agreement, having said that someone recently pointed out to me that apart from with the iPhone all other phones/operators require an active SIM card to be able to use the interface, so in fairness Google’s policy is just the same as all the others (That doesn’t make it ok thought!!!)
Free Android Apps
février 18th, 2009 at 1:15
Considering all these Open Source/Mind blabla from Google, they shouldn’t put such restrictions on their OS (bindings to SIM persistence and Google Account). True Linux-based and Open Source phones are currently Openmoko and Limo. Too bad those guys are too weak to push the market and set the trend.
Goran
février 27th, 2009 at 18:29
Yeah this is stupid..I didn’t know that
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